I was under the impression that this was against TOU, but that has been questioned recently ~ does anyone have documentation of this rule?
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Re: posting private messages
Wed, October 10, 2007 - 12:29 AMFrom melbourne.tribe.net/template...CTerms.vm
2. Membership Responsibility
....." Your membership is solely for your individual use and you will not authorise others to use your account, profile, or messages. You are solely responsible for all use of your account including but not limited to content published,"".........
From melbourne.tribe.net/template...2CCode.vm
1. Conduct and Content
While using or accessing the Service--directly or indirectly--you agree to take a constructive tone and practice good etiquette and courtesy and you agree NOT to:
b. post, publish, or transmit any text, graphics, or material that is illegal or violates local and national laws.....
(A message between two individuals may be considered private and hence posting breaks the law... ? )
d. invade privacy by attempting to collect, store, or publish private or personally identifiable information, including but not limited to password, account information, credit card number, address, or other contact information;
h. infringe any patent, trademark, trade secret, copyright, or other proprietary rights or violate contractual or fiduciary relationships (such as insider, proprietary, or confidential information);
o. create "trolling" posts (trolling is deliberately posting false or provocative information in order to elicit responses from people who would not respond if they knew the motivation behind the post); or
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All of the above may apply....
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Re: posting private messages
Wed, October 10, 2007 - 9:13 AMI'm pretty sure that I've seen a direct reference against the posting of private messages without the consent of the writer ~ something that comes up quite frequently in flame wars, from what I've seen ~
it seems obvious to me that doing so is unethical, but when peoples' feelings get hurt they can get a bit off kilter in their attempts to make another person look bad & by extension, they hope, themselves look good in a public tribe ~ currently, someone is defending this action of "outing" another with the direct text from personal messages & quoting that same TOU list to say that it is not specifically prohibited
has anyone else run into this issue?
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Re: posting private messages
Wed, October 10, 2007 - 10:47 AMI would have to say that, yes, it's not cool but it's not a direct violation of TOU. It's one of those gray areas. It all depends on how/where/what of the message. It never hurts to notify TOU. Even if no action is taken, they have been notified and it is recorded.
And one more thing - if a pm or email is reposted - I don't trust it. Those things can be editted or altered to make it look like it is one thing when it was another. Sort of like a picture being altered with photoshop. Some people are of the opinion that anything sent electronically is fair game. Not necessarily illegal or violation of TOU - but most definitely rude and inconsiderate. -
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Re: posting private messages
Wed, October 10, 2007 - 7:58 PM
I cant think of a spot where it actually says "Thou shall not post personal messages...".. -
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Re: posting private messages
Wed, October 10, 2007 - 8:07 PMjeash, well we aren't talking about a commandment
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Re: posting private messages
Thu, October 11, 2007 - 6:33 PMin the past the TOUguy has sent messages to people threatening to delete thier account and telling they were violating the TOU by posting pm's to tribes and the TOUguy has deleted posts that were reprinted without both parites permission. There is nothing specific in the TOU about it currently.
frankly any information in an electronic forum is open to republished. I've had people reprint pm I've sent them thinking they were outing me without realizing that I had also posted the same exact thing in the reply to the thread.
basically if you wouldn't want it repeated, don't say it.
republishing any personal info like legal name, address is prohibited by the TOU specifically.
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Re: posting private messages
Thu, October 11, 2007 - 6:47 PMI've been kicked out of a tribe when the moderator didn't like that I reported (I didn't quote, nor cut/paste, just summarized) what she said to me privately, yet she was saying another publicly (in the tribe), which had put ME in a difficult situation with the entire tribe, so I just told the truth.
The thread got deleted by the moderator (claiming to everyone it was a mistake that thread got deleted - not what she said to me privately) and I got kicked out of her moderated tribe (a pity as I quite enjoyed the people and discussions there).
The moderator also threatened me, claiming "Wendy" (a tribe TOU person apparently) was her friend and would delete my account unless I did something or other... I'm sure threats are a TOU violation, but I felt it was better to ignore the moderator, and am happier for it. Other people who left that tribe are not happy with that moderators power trip!
My account didn't get deleted either.
I did get a hate phonecall a few weeks later.
Anyway the point is, I looked LONG and HARD about TOU violation for repeating something in a private message, and never found one. -
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Re: posting private messages
Fri, October 12, 2007 - 7:10 PMI was booted from a tribe just because the mod was a jackass, and couldn't stand any public disagreement. Apparently he wanted a vanity tribe where people would rubber-stamp his bloviated opinions.
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Re: posting private messages
Mon, November 12, 2007 - 5:07 AMI may be wrong but if a member pastes something from another writer with the intention to demean them and start a name calling gossip post but I doubt a critque about a post topic or reference would be the same thing. I would think that demeaning a person would be something like say:' sally fictional wrote about her life as anstrologer and Henry Hypothetical takes the post and copies it to another site and says -"astrologers are idiots" for example check out these dumbass astrologers what do you think of their pitiful lives especially Sally fictional, afterall she is really just a cashier at Dennys. As for a critique that is a matter of opinion for example I could say I don't prefer marc pretend's view on the star 'bono' but I found what Mary makebelieve says about 'bono's' charteristics dead on with my own findings because I have eaten pudding five out of six times as mary has claimed bono influence has on pudding eaters during the morning hours of the winter season . -
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Mon, November 12, 2007 - 5:12 AMOh yeah the point I was making sometimes people disagree or have conversations to clear the air that is different . -
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Re: posting private messages
Sun, November 18, 2007 - 9:59 AMI think though that the topic is about the regulation on taking a message that someone sent privately and making it public. Personally, I don’t know what the rule is. I think the act for the most part is in poor taste, and yet I think that a person should consider that anything they send off to another has the potential to become public. Everyone should also consider the spirit of their private, back-channel conversations. I’ve been on the net since `92, even on more primitive social networks, and in the end, many feel very comfortable, with their relative anonymity, to be toxic. -
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Re: posting private messages
Wed, November 21, 2007 - 1:29 PM"basically if you wouldn't want it repeated, don't say it." That's so perfect and it allows one to maintain integrity at the same time.
I am not sure of the legalities...but morally its a highly questionable act and I would think the conditions would have to be sincerely considered. There are many gray areas. Friends, clients and opponents would all be different. Posting personal info would be defamatory and inappropriate in almost all cases, yet posting another's personal response to a public posting would most likely be fair.
Don't try to make my post private when it is already public, don't say anything to me you that you wouldn't say in public. If it's that much of a secret it's probably a lie anyways.
I work under client confidentiality so for me to disclose personal info about others would be detrimental to me and my business. There is a world of difference between open discussion, private discussion, public discussion and making a point, manipulation, coercion, defamation of character, gossip and slander. Whats viewed as private information is very situational and subject to interpretation. People in public positions have less privacy, thats a no brainer. The Royals, politicians, stars, etc.
I have had some small people attempt to take a discussion off the board and have it "privately" or have sent me messages about a post in a passive aggressive attempt to "derail" my post/point/or what have you. Often this is a very adversarial approach.
I know one moderator who saw no limits in her attempt to get me to alter my postings to conform to her ideals and sent me multiple emails. (Note: Posts were on topic and non offensive.) There is a genuine lack of integrity when a moderator says things privately to a member that they don't want the public to view or are afraid to admit.
intelligence would dictate that when being adversarial, adversaries will use what ever they can against you, especially your own words...
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Re: posting private messages
Wed, November 21, 2007 - 5:41 PMOne question that I have about this,
is if someone sends you a private message about yourself,;
since the message is about me or something I wrote, am I not allowed to post this message as I wish?
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Re: posting private messages
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Re: posting private messages
Sat, November 24, 2007 - 9:47 AMthanx ~ that was what I was looking for! :)
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Re: posting private messages
Sat, November 24, 2007 - 6:51 PM
Yeah - thanks Inna !
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